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fiery · Mar 16, 2006, 04:57 PM // 16:57

Don't wanna seem harsh but where in the world would the UW refer to posion and weakness???? Maybe when striking your target he moves slower or something, but posion??? Ehhh.

Medion · Mar 16, 2006, 05:11 PM // 17:11

Actually as one of my guildmates has pointed out, and as confirmed by Jenosavel her pet-guide, I think pets aren't balanced anyway.

The spider and another pet (forgot name

) do piercing damage. There are some skills which give more armour versus piercing damage. (Shields Up!)
And I couldn't find any advantage for using a pet with piercing damage, so you could call the spider and 'the other pet' worse then the other pets.

I do however understand you point that poison would be unbalanced, but I would like it if all pets would be a little bit different, all with their things which make them good and bad.

Ranger Rog · Mar 16, 2006, 05:12 PM // 17:12

I don't think the OP meant that it should poison because its from the UW, I think he meant it should poison because its a spider, after all, thats what real spiders do. I think it's a cool idea to give pets different qualities instead of just different skins, so long as they are balanced.

sno · Mar 16, 2006, 05:20 PM // 17:20

There are a few other differences to some pets, for instance the (presearing) bear attacks slower, but has a skill "brutal mauling" which (not confirmed) I would assume does a bit more damage. Also some pets do piercing damage, some do slashing, as mentioned before.

Also, pets have different sizes, which affects its ability to bodyblock.

fiery · Mar 16, 2006, 05:25 PM // 17:25

I remember first time I fought a bear I was on vent saying im soloing a bear!! This is old time in pre-seering and was new, and I was like on vent "BRUTAL MATING!"? Than I was like ooo brutal mauling.

Sunai · Mar 16, 2006, 05:49 PM // 17:49

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[...] [edit: and I believe Jas D used the term 'realistic' to describe his idea being relativley easy to impliment into the game and not comparing guild wars to real life]

Well...

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Think logical here [...]

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[...] I mean, it's a good idea I think, as I said, very logical.

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[...] Anet talks about things being "logical" [...]

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[...] I think I have a good, realistic idea. [...]

Looks like he's trying to drive home the point that it makes sense. And, like you said, things such as giant talking dragons don't exactly make sense.

Jas D · Mar 16, 2006, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by Jenosavel

...and I'd second the comment somewhere above that training a level 5 pet to a desired evolution and level 20 is much harder than capturing a spider.

I disagree.

Take a level 5 pet outside of droknars into the trolls and tell me how fast it levels.

And Medion, I don't think pets are balanced either. I mean, they just somewhat "tank", they don't do anything else. No special features, just a boring 'ol pet. I love the idea of giving them special features, it sounds good to me.

Diablo™ · Mar 16, 2006, 06:30 PM // 18:30

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... "BRUTAL MATING!"?

hahaha, raped!

fallot · Mar 16, 2006, 06:31 PM // 18:31

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Originally Posted by Jas D

I disagree. Take a level 5 pet outside of droknars into the trolls and tell me how fast it levels.

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training a level 5 pet to a desired evolution and level 20 is much harder than capturing a spider.

Regardless of the evolution, its still a lot quicker and easier to pop into the UW with a group and capture a level 20 spider in under an hour than it is to level one up yourself. Even if you level it up quickly on trolls you'll still be slower than the person who caps a spider.

Medion · Mar 16, 2006, 06:31 PM // 18:31

I think Jenosavel is talking about it's correct type.

For some I think you need many beastmastery points and stuff, ofcourse, leveling a pet isn't difficult when you just take him with a farming group like barrage in tombs.

And Jenosavel knows... she made a LONG post on it

Archias · Mar 16, 2006, 08:23 PM // 20:23

I think all pets should have some kind of special animal attack.

Diablo™ · Mar 16, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33

Besides having more pet varieties, I think pets should also get armors, functional feature and a gold-sink attire, it's a win-win situation!

ZennZero · Mar 16, 2006, 08:43 PM // 20:43

Anet has obviously invested quite a bit of effort into improving pets to the point where they have some value (especially in PvP). I am guessing they aren't done yet, especially since I believe it has been confirmed that Factions will introduce some new pets. I think they know there is a lot of interest in pet customization (in terms of characteristcs and asthetics).

Yanman.be · Mar 16, 2006, 08:49 PM // 20:49

you can also make your pet do pve stuff only..Like poison bosses only or something...wouldn't matter in pvp then

castanaveras · Mar 16, 2006, 09:23 PM // 21:23

While we're talking about pets, we should be able to dye our pet as well.
I mean, all the pet looks the same, how boring is that?? I want a PINK bear damnit!

Rilder · Mar 16, 2006, 10:16 PM // 22:16

Wow, not one mention of the Dune Lizard, man they must be rarer then I thought, hehe. Seriously why should the spider get anything special. You would just be encouraging those "SPIDER RUNS!! 30k!! PAY AT LAST 3 SPIRITS"

I'm just as much a beastmaster as everyone else but seriously pets dont need anything special, I just cant see Ajax Warclaw suited up in plate mail or some warthog covered in metal spikes.

Ayres_Spellbinder · Mar 16, 2006, 10:26 PM // 22:26

While we are on the subject, what is everyones favorite pet and why?

Diablo™ · Mar 17, 2006, 12:53 AM // 00:53

Warthog. Not just because Oink is the Ultimate-Tank-9000, but because he's cute, and goes well with my little farmer monk

Jenosavel · Mar 17, 2006, 01:55 AM // 01:55

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Originally Posted by sno

There are a few other differences to some pets, for instance the (presearing) bear attacks slower, but has a skill "brutal mauling" which (not confirmed) I would assume does a bit more damage.

That would be a wrong assumption, unfortunately. Epinephrine and I went through great lengths to test the bear's damage versus other pets, and it came out to be the same per attack. However, Brutal Mauling does slow down the bear's attack rate, and the effect is therefore that the bear has poorer damage than any other pet.

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Also, pets have different sizes, which affects its ability to bodyblock.

I've never seen a pet body-block better because it was a larger size. I'm fairly certain that the size is merely aesthetic, and that the area blocked off by a pet is equivalent regardless of the pet's size. If there is a difference, it's too small to be of any real importance.

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I disagree.

Take a level 5 pet outside of droknars into the trolls and tell me how fast it levels.

While I've never timed it, I've leveled up more than enough pets to know that even with the best solo EXP farming, it will take longer to level up a pet than to capture a spider. This is especially true if you dislike Hearty pets, and are thus shooting for a Dire. Dire pets take the cake when it comes to time investment, but are definitely worth all the sweat. I will say though, that I've never had to deal with incompetant UW groups because I only group with guildies and friends. No random PUGs for me.

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you can also make your pet do pve stuff only..Like poison bosses only or something...wouldn't matter in pvp then

Considering that ANet is trying to bring the two halves of the game closer together, rather than pushing them further apart, I think this argument comes up lacking. Any variation in pets, and I really do want some variation, will have to be balanced for PvP as well. This means we won't see any variation in pets until they create a new menu for PvP characters to select their pet.

...and just to point something out...

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... confirmed by Jenosavel his pet-guide...

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And Jenosavel knows... he made a LONG post on it

I'm a girl.

fallot · Mar 17, 2006, 07:32 AM // 07:32

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Originally Posted by Ayres_Spellbinder

While we are on the subject, what is everyones favorite pet and why?

Dune Lizard, but I have a soft spot for the Lynx too.